brittneyberry:

The “Phenomenology of Error” article was interesting, but who cares about grammar. I think having everyone in college to write in the same language to me is just a way for people to keep culture and ethnic references out of the collegial system all together, which, in my opinion does a real disservice to the education system. This guy definitely has too much freetime, I agree but most “scholars” do, which is sad when they could use the education they have accumulated to actually help society. A critic without a solution is a waste of breathe; and telling people to sound more French is not a solution, it is taking around the real issue which is the push to conforming to European culture and calling it “normal”.I don’t think that everything someone write should be perfect. Their is something artificial about going back and correcting what you felt in your heart to say. Mistakes aren’t always errors, they show POV and references the lifestyle of the writer. The Texas education system SUCKS!!! ll the “southern gentleman” politicians who win here say they want education to be “better”, but that hospitality only applies to those who agree with their politics….Anyone remember the textbook incident form this summer…I have two words for them, You Lie. 

The TPM that Texas uses to score academic success is like a 30 point head start before they actually judges the school. So all of those me schools that seem like they are performing well, really may just be doing “ok”. With standardized tests, subtract the scores from each department of each school and subtract it by 30 points and that is their real score. Because of this Texas schools look better compared to the rest of the country…so basically, the system is fixed. Everything is all about appearances that goes form the curriculum/grammar on up. That’s why I think the article is full of it. Making everyone sound the same isn’t going to make them smarter or make the college experience more rewarding or complete, because it is all a game anyway. When I was in high school I refused to stress myself over the redundant TAKS related education which drove my teachers crazy more than my peers, because if we fail they were punished by not getting money to start their year off with new programs and poster for the next year,….which really made things better for the teachers and the students… NOT, just more frustrating and full of resentment. So, Gaga boy, I know where you are coming from.

Whether a person is taught or writes grammar in the context that it is referred to in our text, shouldn’t make what they have to say anymore or less important or superior. It is not just unrealistic, but unfortunate that using the same metric for writing will improving student work. It is not math; I think the fact that writing is math makes it so open to the fact that their are so many forms of writing and why people can make new forms of it in every generation. That’s why analysts can’t gather enough of a consensus as to which grammar mistakes are more important in comparison to others, because you can always make the case that it is a different style. As long as you have done what you are asked in  the assignment the way you right is all you and if you use some form of slang or street references, then that just brings character not minus points with a red pen.

I don’t think an article can be entertaining that directly targets one group instead of a variety of  them, like one of the girls said in class why does it have to be “Ebonics” v the “norm”. I can’t remember the last time someone made a big deal about Italians’ accents or New England dialect, except when they are highlighting the “togetherness” and positive points of their culture, but when it comes to Blacks its and negative. The article was not entertaining for me. The chart was confusing and a little neurotic, but the leaving of errors on purpose was cleaver and ironic,which are both good to have in a paper. Personally I think the article will be forgettable, except for its offensiveness. Before we start fussing over how someone spells something, I think we should worry about how confortable people are with saying thing that should be kept tothemselves. This just shows how the ”academic” have their priorities mixed up.

It’s popular to deride instruction in grammar as being obsolete – as belonging to this older school of now discredited educational practices (think corporal punishment, rote memorization, etc.) - but what’s the alternative? I agree that grammatical rules should be examined, that they shouldn’t be adhered to dogmatically, but to go the relativist route and say that there is no standard English that necessitates some kind of universal curriculum, that all dialects are equally valid, is naïve.

You’re right that the grammatical mistakes you make communicate a lot about your character, but you draw an odd conclusion from this insight. It’s precisely because your dialect says a lot about your origins, as well as your socioeconomic background, that most people try to eradicate it in favor of American standard, or whatever else they perceive to be the speech of the wealthy and erudite (for example, RP in England)

But you’re making claims about how the system should operate, rather than how it does operate.

Even then, though, I don’t understand the desirability of subdividing our nation into a sea of mutually unintelligible linguistic islands. You favor character, local color and what you perceive to be the organic nature of non-standard dialects (as opposed to the artificiality of American Standard’s - and it’s grammatical rules’ - imposed norms), but in doing so you sacrifice intelligibility, cohesion and the nuance and subtlety of thought only mutually understood frames of reference can provide.

It’s like trying to organize a national league for some kind of sport, but then insisting that local teams should be allowed to play the game according to their own club rules. What occurs then is a complete breakdown and disintegration of the system.

Moreover, we’re not just discussing the correct grammar of non-standard dialects, we’re also talking about incorrect grammar in general. A double negative may be correct in certain non-standard dialects of English, but a sentence without a verb is incorrect no matter what variety of English you speak. It’s incorrect, not because it transgresses some social norm, but because it complicates communication.

You can’t simply say “I don’t want to study grammar/adhere to grammatical rules in my writing and that opinion is justified by the fact the my incorrectness is merely an expression of my regional dialect/identity.”

It’s not that your expressing a minority view that has been trampled by an uncaring society, it’s that you are wrong.

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